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Neural Foundry's avatar

That flower pot metaphor really hits hard. What strikes me most is how you pinpoint the difference between Owens and Carlson, she has the intellectual capacity but chose to trade it for money, while he's just genuinely not that sharp to begin with. The Moscow subway thing was such a perfect example of that. Like, yes Tucker, authoritarian regimes can build nice infrastructure when they dont have to worry about little things like civil liberties or democratic processes. The fact that he doesn't understand Christian Zionism while interviewing someone like Fuentes is almost impressive in its ignorance. Its one thing to be provocative, its another to not even grasp the basics of what you're discussing. Dinesh nailed it when he talked about the limits of their speculation, they've driven that clunker so far into the desert there's no coming back.

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Um... I've been surrounded by it all my life, but I can honestly say that I don't understand Christian Zionism either. Or at least, I am having trouble understanding why a country that's 37 TRILLION DOLLARS in the hole somehow thinks it needs to be shelling out money by the billions to a small middle-eastern country so that they can give their own citizens free secondary education and free healthcare, and fund their entire defense budget, while we can't even do that for our own country and citizens.

It makes no sense. I say this as someone who doesn't hate Jewish people, as someone who is reliably informed that they'd be fine with that monetary support going away.

I also appreciate what Candace and Tucker are trying to do here, and I think there's got to be a way to bring this discussion in the public square back into something resembling reasonable balance.

Israelis can be really nice people. I've met some. I liked them. I am NOT a fan of some of what their government does. They do not deserve to be defended in a partisan and very blind manner by random Christians everywhere regardless of what they're doing and why.

And frankly, not even the Israelis themselves believe that. They are quite capable of critiquing and criticizing their own government and pointing out where it could do better. And the ones I've known would be the last to insist that they're perfect people.

Does that mean that HAMAS should be empowered to commit acts of terror against them? Absolutely not. And it doesn't mean that Gaza should be turned over to be tyrannized by evil people intent on wreaking havoc on Israelis and on Palestinians, either.

It just means that there are different points of view, and sometimes, for the sake of reasonable discourse and rationality, you ought to at least hear what they are, even if you fervently disagree with them, so that you can at least know what they are and put together a strong argument as to why or why not.

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